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weedeater
Joined: 9/07/2003
Location: S.Ontario Canada Zone 6 or 6a
Posts: 1177
Posted: Sep/14/2005 11:20 AM PST

My front lawn has become a haven for every weed known ..not all over but some big patches...is there a safe weed killer I can use I hate the thoughts of digging it all up and laying down sod some of these weeds have roots a mile long
Any help would be wonderful
Mainegal
Joined: 3/30/2002
Location: Southern Maine Zone4/5
Posts: 2550
Posted: Sep/14/2005 11:22 AM PST

they say to keep your grass long and it will kill out the weeds, not sure it works....lol
sorry that i can't be any help to you my friend
myscrewsbeloose
Joined: 7/23/2002
Location: Vancouver, Washington
Posts: 550
Posted: Sep/14/2005 11:25 AM PST

I just use a good weed and feed (follow the directions on the bottle) and let nature do it's thing. The grass will fill in on it's own after the weeds are gone.

What we did is let the grass grow and go to seed then mowed. Of course our neighbors aren't sticklers for perfection so that wasn't a problem. In some neighborhoods that's an issue.

Weeds aren't really my problem now but moss is. LOL Course I'd be happy as a lark if the whole yard was moss and not grass. NO MOWING!!
weedeater
Joined: 9/07/2003
Location: S.Ontario Canada Zone 6 or 6a
Posts: 1177
Posted: Sep/14/2005 11:26 AM PST

Hi maingal....you did already
I thought the grass long was for keeping weeds out so the weed seed could not plant it self
you may be right about it killing the roots tho will try just about anything
Laine713
Joined: 2/05/2003
Location: Mid-Atlantic Region
Posts: 93
Posted: Sep/14/2005 5:35 PM PST

By mowing the grass at a higher setting will keep most weeds from germinating. This Fall we are overseeding, which will help crowd out weeds, and in the Spring we will apply a pre-emergent to deter weed seed germination.

myscrewsbeloose, to help with the moss, aerate that part of the lawn. We had moss last year and after weed core-aerated, the moss hasn't come back.
sashweezy
Joined: 6/06/2005
Location: Ontario, Canada..Zone 4
Posts: 8401
Posted: Sep/14/2005 9:00 PM PST

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Originally posted by myscrewsbeloose
I just use a good weed and feed (follow the directions on the bottle) and let nature do it's thing. The grass will fill in on it's own after the weeds are gone.

What we did is let the grass grow and go to seed then mowed. Of course our neighbors aren't sticklers for perfection so that wasn't a problem. In some neighborhoods that's an issue.

Weeds aren't really my problem now but moss is. LOL Course I'd be happy as a lark if the whole yard was moss and not grass. NO MOWING!!


Moss means the soil is acidic. I have it because I have a lot of Spruce trees in and around my yard. I also have a crab apple tree that dropped it's apples late last year after the first snowfall so had rotten apples leaking acid into the soil under tree until the spring rake-up. Lime is the answer to change the ph of the soil. If you have the energy the best thing is to take a garden rake and rake the moss up then apply good topsoil mixed with a smattering of lime and re-seed. If you don't want to do that just apply the lime in your spreader. It has worked for me.
myscrewsbeloose
Joined: 7/23/2002
Location: Vancouver, Washington
Posts: 550
Posted: Sep/14/2005 11:49 PM PST

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Originally posted by sashweezy
If you have the energy the best thing is to take a garden rake and rake the moss up then apply good topsoil mixed with a smattering of lime and re-seed. If you don't want to do that just apply the lime in your spreader. It has worked for me.


LMBO! Energy - what's that So, the way to encourage MORE moss is to make the soil even more acidic??
weedeater
Joined: 9/07/2003
Location: S.Ontario Canada Zone 6 or 6a
Posts: 1177
Posted: Sep/15/2005 12:12 AM PST

Oh my I would love the front all Moss
Leaving the grass for seed would drive DH nuts....and may drive me insane as well lol
Ok Ok insaner
Whitmore1
Joined: 4/02/2002
Location: Manistee County, MI, USA
Posts: 496
Posted: Sep/15/2005 12:49 PM PST

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Originally posted by myscrewsbeloose
LMBO! Energy - what's that So, the way to encourage MORE moss is to make the soil even more acidic??



Adding lime to the soil increases the pH which means the soil will become less acidic. I'd suggest testing your soil first before doing so.

Using a pre-emergent in a weed and feed will aid greatly in reducing the volume of weeds in a lawn. The pre-emergent is not a toxic material. It prevents weed seeds from germinating.
jbb2388
Joined: 7/28/2003
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 265
Posted: Sep/15/2005 2:17 PM PST

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Originally posted by sashweezy
Moss means the soil is acidic.


This is actually a common misconception. Moss is simply a creature of opportunity. It will grow almost wherever it has a chance to establish. Usually this includes areas of turf where the poor growing conditions causes the turfgrass NOT to grow well. Controlling moss is basically as easy as creating favorable growing conditions for the turfgrass. Also, without a soil test you have no way of knowing the pH levels of your soil and applying limestone would not be a good thing if you already have a nuetral to slightly alkaline pH.


Depending on the types of weeds you have weedeater, its getting to a point in zone 6 that treating the weeds now will not do much good. Summer annual weeds will die off with the first frost. Winter annuals are just now beginning to germinate or will be in the coming weeks. Perennial weeds can be knocked down now or in the spring. My suggestion would be to just do some research and ask some questions here. Then develop a lawn management plan to start in early spring that includes mowing, watering, fertilizer and weed control steps. This should include a pre-emergent herbicide like Dimension and maybe a weed and feed product. This should help to control your weeds. Then concentrate on getting the turf to grow well and establish itself good because this is the absolute BEST way to fend off weeds. Start by mowing at your lawnmower's highest setting or at least 3-3.5 inches. Good luck.
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