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Strange vine, big fruit, milky sap

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Joined: 7/07/2008
Location: florida
Posts: 52
Posted: Dec/10/2008 9:41 AM PST

Hi All,
As I was riding to the store there was a vine growing on the back fence of an old car repair place. I had seen the vine before but was stunned at the size if the fruit. At first I thought it was choyote squash with the fruit a bit dark hue and that is the first impression of the fruit, but when picked there was intense white sap that could be bottled and sold as Elmer's glue, washing easily at first but dried quickly to water resistant goop very hard to get off.

The fruit get to the size of a good sized pear, but it is too light weight to be choyote, and wrong leaves /flowers to be in Passiflora, or anything else I am familiar with.

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EvonneStoryteller photos
Joined: 7/02/2007
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 769
Posted: Dec/10/2008 4:46 PM PST

Passiflora herbertiana

http://books.google.com/books?id=43bVC3P8PJsC&pg=P A130&lpg=PA130&dq=Passiflora+herbertiana+leaf&sour ce=web&ots=WEinvXDQCv&sig=TwmTseTPnAKG2fXtZSGedGP6 hPg&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result
Leaf Shape

http://www.passiflora.info/herbertiana1.htm
Flower
cgar blog photos
Joined: 9/24/2008
Location: Florida
Posts: 582
Posted: Dec/10/2008 6:29 PM PST

Passion Fruit?
Dragon photos
Joined: 7/07/2008
Location: florida
Posts: 52
Posted: Dec/10/2008 7:58 PM PST

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Originally posted by EvonneStoryteller
Passiflora herbertiana

Leaf Shape

http://www.passiflora.info/herbertiana1.htm
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The leaves though three lobed look very unpassiflora like, and the flowers are small and seem to be missing the cross like stamens that are key to the group.
Also the sap is very thick and white, while all passiflora I am familiar with have clear sap. There are a great many Passiflora and this one is weird if it is one.

The pictures seem to show a much larger (red?) flower and very much the normal Passiflora leaf that would normally be a dead giveaway. The soil and water would be very poor there, and that might affect the leaf, but they seem much more narrow and leathery than is normal for passiflora.

I will cut open a fruit tomorrow and that should be the test. Fresh the sap will get on and ruin everything.
ninebulan blog photos
Joined: 11/14/2008
Location: jakarta
Posts: 37
Posted: Dec/11/2008 7:51 AM PST

hi,
how did it turn out? did you cut it?
can it possibly be Chayotes Squash?


cheerz;
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Dragon photos
Joined: 7/07/2008
Location: florida
Posts: 52
Posted: Dec/12/2008 4:32 PM PST

It is definitely Not choyote squash, and while it might be distantly related to Passiflora, I am pretty sure it is not that either. The fruit has a thick rind like a Passiflora, but I don't think the way the inside is laid out is the same.

Even three days later the thick white sap is still evident, and I drove by the plant again and took a hard look at the flowers that were quite abundant, but with no central stamen/pistil arrangement that is key to the group. Even aside from the overall shape the look and heft of the leaves is also very unpassiflora like. I took a bunch more pictures for a better look than the first post.

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Dizzy45vines blog photos
Joined: 2/02/2008
Location: Indiana
Posts: 442
Posted: Jan/11/2009 11:27 AM PST

I would love to get seeds of this unknown vine?

would pay postage.



thanks
Carol
Dizzy45vines
flossy23
Joined: 12/04/2012
Location: Sunraysia
Posts: 1
Posted: Dec/04/2012 3:05 AM PST

Did you ever find out what your vine was called? http://www.eattheweeds.com/morrenia-odorata-pest-o r-pleasure-food-2/
bsmitch blog photos
Joined: 12/18/2007
Location: Jabez Kentucky
Posts: 8912
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Posted: Dec/04/2012 10:42 AM PST

This is a Milkweed Vine, Morrenia odorata.

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told2b blog photos
Joined: 9/12/2006
Location: Northern, NJ
Posts: 8374
Posted: Dec/04/2012 11:42 AM PST

If Dragon had waited three more year before leaving s/he would have had an answer.
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